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Date: Sun Sep 15 2002 4:01 pm

Author: Sitchinawa, Nona <venona_s@yahoo.com>

Subject: General theme

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This person is genius.No really,it won't suffice to study this poem for only one semester. It makes me go nuts. Some of the mythological characters were unfamiliar to me , so i did some research. Here are the results (the characters mentioned in the IX of the First chapter ( when the author talks about the feast of gods,storm, and a very bad weather)

1) Erzulie-"Virgin of the Voodoo" . A Caribbean moon goddess associated sometimes with happiness and luck,but sometimes with discord and jealousy. She is personified as a water snake. As a mistress of the god Damballah, she is the goddess of fresh water

2)Damballah- a powerful god of the Voodoo mythology. He is a patron of spring and rains. Here is THE IMPORTANT thing about him: he is part of trinity of snakes( DAn PEdro and Simbi are the others).This trinity was associated ( do not ask me how)with the revolt of slaves against the Napoleonic forces in 1804 that made Haiti the second free country in the Western Hem.( the USA being first). these gods are part of Mesoamerican and Caribbean
mythologies. Next god is from the Yoroba people folklore. NOTE : Yoroba people live in Nigeria, Benin and few other Western African countries. The slaves were captured and brought to the markets particularly from this part of the African continent

3) OGUN-the deity of iron and the patron orisha (god) of all humans for whom iron has a particular significance, such ass smiths, hunters, warriors.


Thus, Walcott combines mythologies of the world . It should not be considered a shadow of Homer's world,but rather an outstanding meditation on OUR history.

Philoctete is the link. He feels pain of loneliness,uncertainity. All characters have the same pain, and guess what: pain means punishment AND a price for expiation ( to expiate -to bring to the end)

 

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Current Forum: STAGE #2 Responses

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Date: Sun Sep 15 2002 4:50 pm

Author: Brathwaite, Evan <sbrath7549@aol.com>

Subject: Re: General theme

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Nona, Those are some interesting facts you have discovered from your research. Where exactly in the poem does Walcott mention these gods? I can't seem to locate the exact lines.

 

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Date: Sun Sep 15 2002 6:38 pm

Author: JVS, (professor) <jvsickle@brooklyn.cuny.edu>

Subject: Re: General theme

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Very useful & interesting!! Maybe a bit absolute? "It should not be considered a shadow of Homer's world,but rather an outstanding meditation on OUR history." Can't it be both & all the more powerful if it overshadows Homer? "OUR history" after all, who is the "OUR" in that? "We..."

 

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Date: Mon Sep 16 2002 7:44 pm

Author: Sitchinawa, Nona <venona_s@yahoo.com>

Subject: The verse

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As i said it is in the part nine of the first chapter. That is where the plot begins to thicken: Major decides to write a history of Helen's people .

 

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Date: Mon Sep 16 2002 7:57 pm

Author: Sitchinawa, Nona <venona_s@yahoo.com>

Subject: Cont.

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We spoke about Philoctete's wound, and i want to add something. His leg hurts , and in this context it could be viewed as a pain coming from his roots.
Moreover, we all know that Paris was killed by Philoctete. I have a very crazy idea, but what if Ville des Paris is not simply Paris Village or a villa, but rather a hint of French Empire?

I think Helen is a spirit, pride of all those slaves that were brought from their homeland ( or should i say raped, captured as Paris did with Helen). In one of the verses Walcott says that no one can own Helen, like no one can own a sea. No one can subjugate her, and that is why she is a representative of her people who built the islands' industries and history. The author even asks: when did it begin? maybe Ceasars, or may be Napoleon who resided in Paris. The destruction of empire lies in its power. Major Plunkett belongs to the history of islands,but he was a servant of another empire. that is why he cannot escape the pain and the burden of its past.

 

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Date: Mon Sep 16 2002 9:24 pm

Author: Brathwaite, Evan <sbrath7549@aol.com>

Subject: Response to Stage 2 Readings

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Having finished reading the assigned chapters for Stage 2, It is now necessary to bring the conflict between Achille and Hector over Helen into view, one of the most important plot elements of the poem.

Achille and Hector on page 17 Chapter III are dueling over the affection of Helen, Walcott describes this event as "The duel of these fishermen was over a shadow and its name was Helen." We are not introducted to Helen's character, but obviously it is clear that she is the object of the dispute between Achille and Hector.

After reading through this particular passage an event in the Iliad came into mind which I beleive a parallel can be associated with Omeros.

Menelaos(the Achaian) and Paris(Trojan) fight over the possession of Helen in Book 3. Paris precipitates the Trojan war by unlawfully stealing the beautiful Helen(of Troy) from her husband, Menelaus under false pretenses of friendship. He broke the most fundamental rule of the ancient Greek guest-host relationship; Paris dishonored his host Menelaos and had an adulerous affair with his wife. Both men are close friends, but Paris succumbs to his passionate love for Helen of Troy which ultimately destroys the mutual frienship with Menelaos.

The conclusion of this can only mean that Achille and Hector will become arch-rivals/enemies in a quest to attain the love of Helen, this can only lead to disaster. Helen must eventually choose either one of the suitors, or be compelled to.

Now I will shift the discussion to Major Plunkett in Chapter V, the British World War II veteran. Walcott makes references to "Monty, Afrika Corps, and Pro Rommel" All of the aformentioned names are related to the African campaingn in World War II Page 25. Erwin Rommel was the commanding officer of the Afrika Corps(German Military in Africa). This is another reiteration of the theme of war in the poem. I have not determined the relevance of this.

Plunkett received a head-wound in the war "In whose honour did his head-wound graduate" Page 25. Perhaps it contains a subtle a symbolic meaning like Philoctete's wound which Walcott wishes to convey to the reader. For instance in this line "This wound I have stiched into Plunkett's character" and the "Phantom Narrator" Page 28. Who is this Phantom Narrator as Walcott describes? Could it be Omeros or even Walcott himself? This must be explored in greater detail.

 

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