Plato [ca 427-347], Republic [377?]
GENRE: Philosophy
Beyond Democracy --In Search of a New "Right Way"
Read Plato, Republic: Follow assignments in your course syllabus.
Page numbers [pp] refer to Cornford’s translation. To allow you to form
at least some idea of the entire game in this work, the following sheets
provide an overview of material that has not been specifically assigned.
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Find & UNDERLINE in the text the themes UNDERLINED
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[NOTE on the meaning of the indicator numbers -- §
17-18a, etc. These are numbers that you will find printed in most texts
and translations of Plato. They provide a standard key to finding any passage
in Plato’s works; they are derived from the page numbers of an edition
of Plato that was produced by the French printer-scholar Henri Estienne
(in Latin ‘Henricus Stephanus’) in Geneva in 1578, thus they are known
as ‘Stephanus numbers’.]
The Whole Story -- One Night’s Talk
[click below]
PART ONE. Troubles with the Old
‘Right Way’ [§ 327-353, pp. 1-40]
PART TWO. Working Out a New ‘Right
Way’ [§ 357-471]
PART THREE. How to Put the New
‘Way’into Use [§ 471-541, pp. 175-264]
PART FOUR. Losing the ‘New Way’
[§ 543-592, pp. 265-320]
PART FIVE. The ‘Wrong Way’ of
Learning [§ 595-607, pp. 321-340]
PART SIX. The ‘Right Way’ in This
Life & the Next [§ 608-620, pp. 341ff.
PART ONE. Troubles with the Old ‘RIGHT
WAY’ [§ 327-353, pp. 1-40]
The Situation: [§ 327-328]
WHO speaks, WHEN, to WHOM & WHY & HOW?
DRAMATIC DATE: ca 432 BCE (just prior to the Peloponnesian
War)
SETTING: the way down [through Long Walls] to seaport
[Piraeus]:
SITUATION: festival, new god, torch race,
party of good-looking, smart young men, dinner &
talk [symposium]
What’s Wrong with Usual Views of ‘Right Way’ [§
328-354]
Cephalos {‘head, crown’}: [§ 328-331]
Describe briefly, Cephalus’ view of ‘right way’:
NOTE: moderate wealth, cheat noone, pay what is due to
god & man
BUT [Socrates’ objections]?
Polemarchos {‘war ruler’}: quotes poet (Simonides):
[§ 332-335]
‘ Right way’ of treating friends & enemies?
[cf. Pelop. War, p. 148, §
41 "good done to friends, suffering inflicted on enemies"]
BUT [Socrates’ objections]
[cf. also Apologia § 24: reasons for never doing
harm to others]
Thrasymachus {‘Rash fighter’}: [§ 336-54]
NOTE: "like a wild beast sprang" {IMAGE: travesty}
‘ might makes right’: interest of stronger = ‘Right way’
= ‘justice’
[cf. Pelop. War, pp. 80, 81 (at
Corinth) & 404 § 105 (at Melos)]
BUT [Socrates’ objections]
PART TWO. Working Out a New ‘RIGHT
WAY’ [§ 357-471]
Common View Summed Up: [§ 357-67, pp.
41-53]
‘ RIGHT WAY’ [diké = Justice] defined as a compact
[mutual agreement] not to do wrong nor suffer it, in other words, as a
compromise .. not good in itself but necessary due to lack of power to
do wrong
PARABLE: magic ring of Gyges: advantage in doing wrong
if can get away with it {IMAGE: parable}
Counter-view: "Right" in itself is a good thing.
Take the polis as easier to study than the individual
Imagine a polis made the ‘Right way’ -- a simple
community [§ 367-72, pp.53-59]
NOTE: state formed because no indivdual is self
sufficing
NOTE: innate [= inborn] differences fit .. different
occupations?
[cf Socrates' critique of craftsmen
in the Apology.]
WHAT classes & types would there be in society?
‘justice’ is where? somewhere in dealings with
one another
Simple Community Ridiculed: Imagine an Enriched
Community [§ 372-5, pp. 60-3]
PICTURE of simple life {IMAGE: utopian idyl}
fit for pigs [ridicule], so enriched by adding
luxuries:
barbers, cooks, artists, ladies’ maids, poets, swineherds
luxury produces need for Physicians, Warriors:
ART of WAR--specialty of Guardians [cf. Apologia
23, critique of craftsmen]
Training the Guardians for the Enriched Community
[§ 375-6, pp. 64-66]
like training well bred watch-dogs {IMAGE}
Primary Education: Training the Soul
[§ 376-412]
CENSORING the School CURRICULUM [§ 376-392,
pp. 67-80]
Why is Poetry NOT the "Right Way" to go?
Power of Drama: Danger of Imitation
[§ 392-97, pp. 80-85]: Why must Guardians not be allowed to enact
the part of a woman .. railing .. overwhelmed .. in labor .. much less
in love .. ?
{Have you read any works in this course that Plato would
find dangerous?:
}
Power of Music & Meter: Danger
[§ 398-400, pp. 85-88]
[What risk from certain rhythms?
Power & Purpose of Teaching: Love & Sexual
Excitement [§ 400-3, pp. 88-92]
What can poetry do to the young?
What therefore must we compel our poets to do?
approving all that is lovely .. recognize forms
beauty inward & outward .. temperate love
What therefore about sexual pleasure?
Training the body: mastering body & soul
[§ 403-12, pp. 92-102]
Selecting the Masters-Guardians [§
412-415, pp. 102-07]
NOTE: watch them at every age [cf. Spartan education]
.. ordeals of toil & pain
devise .. convenient fiction .. bold invention
{‘noble lie’} {IMAGE: myth}
{propaganda: cf. what poets are compelled to tell, above}
[How democratic is this plan?
Guardian Lifestyle & Duties [§
416-27, pp. 107-118]
forbidden to touch silver or gold .. serve without pay
giving EACH its proper color make the WHOLE beautiful
{IMAGE: like painting}
community understood to be a well ordered WHOLE
Rule against any innovation in established system of
education [§ 424]
"novel fashions in music .. endangering whole fabric
of society"
In the Imagined Polis: Where does the ‘Right-way’
come in?
Four qualities [virtues]: wisdom, bravery, temperance,
justice:
Where is wisdom?
Where is bravery?
Where is temperance [moderateness]?
[NOT in "mass of multifarious appetites--women &
children & slaves" vs "reason & right belief .. in only a few"]
Where, then, is ‘Right-wayness’ [‘justice’]?
Any plurality of functions considered the extreme of
wrong-doing
[How does this fit with Plato’s basic beliefs about human
society?]
[Cf Apologia 23, critique of craftsmen?
]
[For contrast, note Pericles,
in Pelop. War p. 145-46, on freedom & versatility as virtues of the
Athenians ]
From POLI-tics to PSYCH-ology: Equation [§
434-445, pp.129-143]
POLIS Compared with PSYCHE [‘soul’]:
<City’s Structure> <Citizen’s Structure>
CLASS in POLIS PART in PSYCHE TYPE Virtue SYMBOLIC
Metal
Rulers Intelligence WISDOM gold
Guardians Feistiness COURAGE silver
Workers Desire [appetite] TEMPERANCE bronze
‘Friends have all things in common’ [§
445-471, pp. 144-174]
Does that include women & children?
watchdogs guarding a flock .. breeding & training
{IMAGE: homely example}
if set women same tasks as males must teach them same
things
revolution .. training women’s minds .. careful to breed
from best
only offspring of better marriages should be kept ..
Warfare: preparation & conduct:
brave man selected for marriage more frequently than
rest
something mean & greedy in plundering a corpse [cf.
Homer]
PART THREE. How to Put the New ‘Way’ into Use [§
471-541, pp. 175-264]
PARADOX: Philosopher would have to govern [§
471-3]
WHAT do we mean by the word "paradox"?
Why is it a "paradox" to suggest that a Philosopher might
govern?
[What did Socrates say in Apologia 31-33 about good man
taking part in politics?
BEYOND PARADOX: The Image of Philosopher-Ruler
Premiss: philosopher as best lover & lover
of best [§ 474]
What does the "best love" love?
What kind of lover is Glaucon?
What part does "amorous playfulness’ take in the dialogue?
The rest of the whole long section seeks to get up a rationale
for philosophical rule.
Reality, we are told, is hard for the many to know; at
best they only get more or less of an notion of it. Only the very few manage
to get to know reality itself. This rare real knowledge, then, qualifies
these few to rule.
This amounts to an oligarchy of intellect. To create
and maintain it, specially gifted natures must be picked and trained in
the SUPER-CORE CURRICULUM outlined here.
The following passages defend the concept of intellectual
oligarchy by arguing that there are different levels of knowing.
Two kinds of imagery get used to make the point: first
an abstract model [the line] and then a pictorial parable. {IMAGE: diagram
& parable}
Diagram of the Line [§ 509-511, pp. 221-26]
On Plato’s diagram of knowing, at what levels would he
be likely to place each of the three classes of citizens that Socrates
examined and found wanting in the Apologia?
politicians?
poets?
craftsmen?
Allegory of the Cave [§ 514-521,
pp. 227-34]
" they would laugh at him .. they would kill him"
" Every feature in this parable .. meant to fit our earlier
analysis"
In what respects does the "parable" also fit any other
stories you have read?
PART FOUR. Losing the ‘New Way’
[§ 543-592, pp. 265-320]
Corrupt Types of POLIS [city] & PSYCHE [soul]
Decline from the ideal of the SELFLESS single rule to
ever more SELFISH and materialistic forms of rule by ever wider ruling
groups. Note the place Plato assigns to DEMOCRACY, close to the bottom
of the scale.
What similar attitudes to the MANY have been expressed
at various points in what you have read?
PART FIVE. The ‘Wrong Way’ of Learning
[§ 595-607, pp. 321-340]
Now that you know Plato a little better [think of Socrates
and the great writers at the end of the Apologia], what might you expect
him to return near the end of the work to emphasize about the nature and
value of his competitors, the other writers?
PART SIX. The ‘Right Way’ Here &
Hereafter [§ 608-620, pp. 341-359]
‘Rightness’ Rewarded in Life [§
608-613, pp. 341-348]
‘Rightness’ Rewarded After Death [§
613-620, pp. 349-359]
IMAGE of the UNDERWORLD [.. not like Odysseus’
tale to Alcinous]
hero .. valiant .. journey .. marvellous
place .. JUDGES
two ways: upwards vs downwards
& two doors {IMAGE: heroic journey, quest}
two directions: right vs left
wages earned by honoring gods .. dishonoring ..
shaft of light .. spindle of necessity [workings
of firmament]
{IMAGE: spinning, number, music}
picking lots [choice of lifestyles]
How do Homer’s heroes make out?
Compare THIS Image of the Underworld with that
in the Apologia.
What do the two have IN COMMON
Some big differences between the two versions:
What life would Socrates choose?
Compare THIS Image of the Underworld with that
in the Odyssey?
What do the two have IN COMMON
Big differences between the versions:
STUDY QUESTIONS: answer the following
questions on the basis of your reading:
Chart the Times [BCE]:
Pericles ca. 495-429,
Socrates 469-399,
Plato ca 427-347
Calculate the ages of Socrates & Plato for each of the
following named events & fill in the blanks.
347: Plato dies, aged? __
361/0: Plato journeys to Syracuse but again fails
to reform a real polis, aged ? __
366/5: Plato journeys to Syracuse fails to reform a real
polis, aged? __
377 (?)***: Republic completed, Plato aged?__
** Symposium Written, Plato aged?____
Academy founded [grove outside Athens, Muses’ shrine]
390-388: Plato journeys to Italy & Sicily (Syracuse),
aged? __
399-390*: Plato writes Apologia, aged? __
399*: trial of Socrates, Apologia’s dramatic
date, Socrates aged?____, Plato aged?____
404: Final Defeat of Athens, Plato aged?___, Socrates
aged? __
405/4{***}: 30 Tyrants seize wealth of Cephalus’ sons’
wealth, kill Polemarchus
411: Aristophanes produces Lysistrata, Socrates
aged?____, Plato aged?____
415: Melos bullied, Syracuse Attacked, Plato aged?____
** Symposium’s Dramatic date, Socrates aged? ___Plato
aged? __
430-429:Plague infests Athens {Oedipus Rex plays (?),
Pericles dies}, Socrates aged?___
428/427 Plato born, Socrates aged?____
432 (?)***: Republic’s Dramatic Date, Socrates imagined
in house of Cephalus, aged?___
441: Sophocles produces Antigone posing issue
of ‘Right way’ for polis (divine & human laws)
447-432: Pericles building Parthenon, images of‘ heroes
defeating monsters, Socrates aged? __
454: Athens seizes treasury of Delian league, Socrates
aged?____
469: Socrates born.
480: Athens leads sea victory over Persia at Salamis.
How does Plato's model of 'the right way' differ
from the Athenian model described by Pericles
in the funeral oration?
Does Plato’s ideal ruler resemble traditional Greek
rulers and heroes in any significant ways?
In what ways would Plato’s ruler differ from, for example,
Agamemnon?
Especially with regard to his view of change in
politics and culture, does Plato resemble more closely the Athenian or
the Spartan model? [document from Thucydides]
Compare the imagined status of women in Plato’s
model culture with their actual status in the classical polis.
What strikes you most strongly about Plato’s ideas
concerning love?
In what ways do his ideas resemble those you have seen
in other Greeks?
Mention some important ways in which his ideas differ
from the others.
Describe the role that Plato assigns to myth and
parable in his imaginary society:
At the same time, however, what value does he assign to
IMAGINATION in his account of knowing?
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